tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post408710644080981434..comments2023-06-19T09:18:34.114-07:00Comments on Tiger Beatdown: TIGER BEATDOWN FOR DUDES Presents: That's Not Funny. No, Seriously Dude, It's NotSadyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12163678207182481274noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-22136038827818480322009-06-26T14:34:06.565-07:002009-06-26T14:34:06.565-07:00Anon, that is more or less the mother's plotli...Anon, that is more or less the mother's plotline in Saving Face.<br /><br />She is on good terms with the boy by the end of the story, but tells him he can't move in because she is enjoying not cohabiting with a husband or father for the first time ever.<br /><br />I love Alice Wu.<br /><br />Also love Will Smith for getting her funding without forcing her to straighten, mysogynize and whitewash the story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-913212808205016462009-06-19T13:20:11.463-07:002009-06-19T13:20:11.463-07:00It just seems that these movies describe the actua...It just seems that these movies describe the actual state of affairs in life. And it's a damn dirty depressing SoA.B. Michaelhttp://bmichael.menoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-34180956183342586712009-05-05T14:37:00.000-07:002009-05-05T14:37:00.000-07:00athermit, I absolutely agree about Sukiyaki Wester...athermit, I absolutely agree about Sukiyaki Western Django. We're supposed to admire the relationship between Grandma and Tarantino? Where he repeatedly degrades and beats her? Yeah, that's sexy. I was left with a very sour taste in my mouth after watching that movie.BonnieBellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02464036036913202903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-2294898628699817072009-04-13T03:47:00.000-07:002009-04-13T03:47:00.000-07:00i love this blog. so many of my friends talk about...i love this blog. so many of my friends talk about how hilarious these movies are when they come out, and when i watch them i'm like "what? people aren't like that at all"<BR/><BR/>for awhile i actually thought it was a huge avant higher plane kind of thing that i totally wasn't smart enough for and then i realized i just have a better sense of humor than lots of other people, not worse.<BR/><BR/>write onpaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05886235235606568538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-46826647588129991662009-04-11T12:19:00.000-07:002009-04-11T12:19:00.000-07:00@Anonymous: That's amazing! And, yeah, totally get...@Anonymous: That's amazing! And, yeah, totally gets at how normalized this stuff is, because even folks who are not consciously of the mind that Girls Are Dumb can't really conceive of something that breaks the rules of woman-as-reward. I would totally watch your movie, for the record.Sadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12163678207182481274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-15540530389281135562009-04-10T14:14:00.000-07:002009-04-10T14:14:00.000-07:00I recently suggested a movie script to several fri...I recently suggested a movie script to several friends, in which there is a typical situation of "nerd loved girl who is with jock" in which the nerd does demonstrate to girl that jock is not right for her (obnoxious, yes, because girl can't make up her own mind, but I wasn't thinking clearly about that at the time). But when we come to the point where, free of jock boyfriend, she is supposed to throw herself into the nerd's arms, she doesn't. Instead she demonstrates to him, patiently, without "bitch" that he isn't right for her either. In the end, I wanted her to be the hero of the movie, for growing up while the boys around her couldn't. <BR/><BR/>Every single male friend I told this movie script idea to told me not to waste my time on it because it would never, ever sell. It wasn't "feel good" and didn't reward the "hero" (who was always the nerd, no matter how many ways I'd try to pitch it so that it was obvious it was the girl) in the "traditional comedy formula." <BR/><BR/>And these guys, they're mostly pro-feminist, pretty aware, and not normally complete dorks. But even so, the idea of a movie where the hero is a woman who decides not to be with any of the men in the movie because none of them meet her standards was like something from outer space.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-10578828368987483922009-04-08T20:49:00.000-07:002009-04-08T20:49:00.000-07:00This is awesome - ta :DThis is awesome - ta :DJarrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05979491189698593951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-86998328343182123942009-04-08T15:15:00.000-07:002009-04-08T15:15:00.000-07:00i am loving this post like whoa.i am loving this post like whoa.midwesterntransporthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02749445416512279883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-70050389399122065272009-04-07T10:18:00.000-07:002009-04-07T10:18:00.000-07:00\m/Fuck yes! I have never seen those movies (exce...\m/<BR/><BR/>Fuck yes! I have never seen those movies (except maybe Manhattan years ago), for precisely the reasons (and more - the central being that I don't like humor that laughs AT PEOPLE - don't get me started).<BR/><BR/>I'm going to post links to this all over the damn shop. Sent here by a friend, plan to do them same.<BR/><BR/>Rock on!Alicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09911176317513671623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-64434867258910743622009-04-03T19:27:00.000-07:002009-04-03T19:27:00.000-07:00Oh, thank you so much for articulating so much of ...Oh, thank you so much for articulating so much of what I find wrong with almost any movie labeled "comedy" that's come out in the past decade. I'm so sick of the female character being a "prize" or "reward" for the main d00d.<BR/><BR/>I recently had the misfortune of watching Sukiyaki Western Django, and while I'd looked forward to it (having heard good stuff about it) was horrified to see that both of the two female characters (and there were only two) were graphically abused/raped during the film, one by Quentin Tarantino's character (ha!) in what was held up as a "good" relationship. Those with me started discussing the artistic merits of the film (yes, it was very pretty and stylized) but all I could think about was how much the director must hate women. And they couldn't even see why it was so horrifically disturbing. Sigh.<BR/><BR/>Please keep writing.arthermithttp://womenwithpants.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-65673091397466383392009-04-02T16:59:00.000-07:002009-04-02T16:59:00.000-07:00@Eleniel: Thank you, lady!@Twyst: Oh. Dude. Long, ...@Eleniel: Thank you, lady!<BR/><BR/>@Twyst: Oh. Dude. Long, long, lonnnnnnng ago: that's when I stopped trying to find Kevin Smith tolerable. Like, I do not know WHAT happened to make this particular toy-obsessed regressive adolescent sexuality thing popular, this thing where you talk about fucking girls and think about fucking girls and write movies about fucking girls but also seem to have, objectively, LESS THAN NO EXPERIENCE OF WHAT GIRLS AND SEX ARE ACTUALLY LIKE, barring maybe what you got from watching porn, but I know I am tired of it and I know when I look at something by Kevin Smith that is all I see. <BR/><BR/>@Emylie: A computer, you say! Rarely have I been so enticed by a blog-comment-based offer! <BR/><BR/>@Phio: Yeah, I guess retrospectively the "it's all in his minnnnnnnnd" thing makes sense - it's what I use to explain the movie to me - but, with the knowledge the viewer has during that scene, it's just this random thing of stalking a girl till she decides he's cute. Which: I mean: I like Brazil. I even like Manhattan! It just bums me out when this stuff is in movies that I like. WHY DON'T THE MOVIES LIKE ME BAAAAACK. That's what I always wonder.Sadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12163678207182481274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-19769556925774818252009-04-02T13:40:00.000-07:002009-04-02T13:40:00.000-07:00Just last night I watched "Brazil" for the first t...Just last night I watched "Brazil" for the first time in years. I used to love this movie, but this time I was really confused by the love-interest character, Jill. At first, she's kicking ass and completely resists the lunatic Sam, to the point of literally kicking him the fuck out of her truck. Then he hijacks her truck, gets a bunch of people killed, and she is suddenly hot for him! "Because, um..." indeed! The only explanation I could come up with was, the movie is all about his fantasy, so that is just the way it has to go. In the commentary, Terry Gilliam actually says that <I>Sam</I> pays the price for falling in love, (even though he gets Jill killed), and that Jill falls for Sam because of his relentless (slasher-film-like, IMO) pursuit of her. Gilliam seems to completely, unironically, think it's romantic.Phio Gistichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13309613509986519561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-85489585488611241842009-04-01T12:50:00.000-07:002009-04-01T12:50:00.000-07:00This is an awesome post. If I ever get the chance,...This is an awesome post. If I ever get the chance, I will read it aloud to all of my male friends.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00167586754949703713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-5925953389215020622009-04-01T09:38:00.000-07:002009-04-01T09:38:00.000-07:00This post rocked so much. Thanks for the genius. ...This post rocked so much. Thanks for the genius. Keep it comin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-48227975226119849282009-04-01T07:21:00.000-07:002009-04-01T07:21:00.000-07:00Fantastic post, all of it. But the second last pa...Fantastic post, all of it. But the second last paragraph really resonated with me. I've been thinking a lot lately about my own experience of desire, and how it is totally ok for women to be presented as objects of desire, but as soon as I start talking about my own subjective experience of desire, both men and women feel uncomfortable.... and do label me extreme (feminist! slut! is how it typically goes. I have one friend who says this with affection, but most do not), for having the audacity to talk about all of this. I mean, I can enjoy sex, as long as I'm vacently filling the fuckbot role, but as soon as I start having my own experience of it and doing it on my terms, enjoying it and talking about it (like an actual human being!), that is somehow way out of bounds...Blue Skynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-44854096104650218062009-03-31T21:43:00.000-07:002009-03-31T21:43:00.000-07:00This post is amazing! Thank you so much, Sady! I ...This post is amazing! Thank you so much, Sady! I want to build you a computer (metaphorically), the greatest computer in all the land! I have more substantive comments but I have to go walk my dog. Hopefully I'll remember to come back later and further partake in the conversation.emylie_bo_bemylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-23792655990403126872009-03-31T21:33:00.000-07:002009-03-31T21:33:00.000-07:00Hey Sady! I came here by way of Eleniel and felt t...Hey Sady! <BR/>I came here by way of Eleniel and felt the need to post too, tho she has said what i wanted to say. <BR/>Devastating. and so so fucking sad. <BR/>I thought maybe i had misjudged Knocked Up, watched until she started to cry about her life being totally messed up, and i turned it off.<BR/>haha, so funny, her life and plans are ruined! that is great comedy! wtf.<BR/><BR/>I find Clerks II to be even worse. I will be up all night if i start listing the reasons why, but again, hot woman, dumpy stupid guy who has been cheating on fiancee etc etc etc. UGH.<BR/><BR/>Anyway. My thought are muddled. Great post :)Robynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16961465560856628709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-89830808195200307732009-03-31T18:48:00.000-07:002009-03-31T18:48:00.000-07:00This post is devastating (in the best possible sen...This post is devastating (in the best possible sense). THANK YOU.<BR/><BR/>For the longest time I told myself that hey, the entire point of Superbad is that date rape is a really bad idea, right?! And blocked out the rest for my own protection. Ugh. And you are right, it does seem to be getting worse and worse.Elenielhttp://whilenotfinished.theirisnetwork.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-87677677811913524822009-03-31T10:04:00.000-07:002009-03-31T10:04:00.000-07:00@Snobographer, again: "obviates the realities of f...@Snobographer, again: "obviates the realities of female desire, which is, yes, triggered by pretty dudes."<BR/><BR/>STRAIGHT female desire, that is! Ha, darn blogger and its lack of Edit function.Sadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12163678207182481274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-87287163955155315482009-03-31T09:18:00.000-07:002009-03-31T09:18:00.000-07:00I wouldn't be opposed to supernaturally gorgeous w...<I>I wouldn't be opposed to supernaturally gorgeous women ending up with Jason Segel and Seth Rogen in certain movies if I occasionally saw supernaturally gorgeous men end up with women who looked like the lady equivalents of a Segel or a Rogen.</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, exactly. If you're going to have Sean Connery hooking up with Catherine Zeta Jones (my references are very dated), I'd better see Kathy Bates getting some action from George Clooney.snobographerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11874569135368534339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-53353167587851946772009-03-31T08:51:00.000-07:002009-03-31T08:51:00.000-07:00@Melissa: WHY HELLO! I definitely agree with you t...@Melissa: WHY HELLO! I definitely agree with you that straight-white-male misogyny is accepted and normalized in culture; black male misogyny is only recognized as a "problem" insofar as it calls on the history of racism, and the idea that black men were hypersexual and violent and (of course) out to Defile the Precious Flower of White Womanhood. (As opposed to white men raping black women, which was basically written into law under slavery, and continues to be a huge problem! But whiteness doesn't own up to that; it would rather talk about sexually rapacious black men.) But yeah, you're right: if "Knocked Up" had been the story of a black woman who couldn't make rent, lived with family members, etc., and got pregnant by some unemployed dude of color she'd had casual unprotected sex with, and she decided to have the baby outside of the Holy Bonds of Matrimony, you can bet that a whole sector of the population would be up in arms against it, talking about "welfare queens," etc. But they're white, so it's a beautiful pro-life affirmation of family values! <BR/><BR/>@Pizza Diavola: I'm not a huge Diablo Cody fan, but I really do feel that the way Jason Bateman's character was handled was exceptional, and feminist. He's such a neat little deconstruction of the Apatovian/"High Fidelity" man-child: a thirty-five-year-old teenager who loves his record collection and his guitar and all the other little toys he uses to escape the reality that he is a grown-assed man with grown-up responsibilities and problems, and who worries that his lady is going to force him to grow up because of course he's not "ready" for commitment or parenthood or caring about women's feelings or not trying to sleep with children, and in most movies? The entire story would be about that dude, and his conflicted feelings, and how he eventually becomes marginally less callous and perfidious and narcissistically self-involved. Instead, he fucks up, and the women call him out on it ("You want to 'wait?' For what? For you to become a rock star?") and he faces the consequences, and then the women write him out of their lives and move on. Bravo. <BR/><BR/>@Snobographer: I wouldn't be opposed to supernaturally gorgeous women ending up with Jason Segel and Seth Rogen in certain movies if I occasionally saw supernaturally gorgeous men end up with women who looked like the lady equivalents of a Segel or a Rogen. As it is, it's a one-sided construct that obviates the realities of female desire, which is, yes, triggered by pretty dudes. I would like to say, however, that I don't find "Knocked Up" the worst or most sexist of Apatow's movies: his stuff started out with some fairly sympathetic and realistic female characters (Linda Cardinelli in "Freaks and Geeks," Catherine Keener in "The 40-Year-Old Virgin" - and she was the one thing I liked about that movie, which I, unlike everyone else on Planet Earth, HAAAAAAAAAATED) and it just seems to get worse over time, as he realizes that audiences and critics are REALLY responding to the man-boy bromosocial sexist shit, which means he can get AWAY with it, which means he's no longer OBLIGATED to spend any time or effort on creating recognizably human female characters. Apatow-Brand cinema is regressing and getting worse as Apatow and his minions give themselves greater and greater license to be more and more blatantly sexist. Which is sad, because there were moments of "Knocked Up" and "Freaks and Geeks" that I really, really loved. <BR/><BR/>@ScreamingLemur: Free taxes! Perhaps I may do yours in return!Sadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12163678207182481274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-79068109386834035632009-03-30T16:57:00.000-07:002009-03-30T16:57:00.000-07:00I. Love. This post. I love it so much I would do i...I. Love. This post. I love it so much I would do its (theoretical) taxes. For <I>free</I>. That is how mind-bendingly awesome this is. I have thought this for the last ten years of watching "rom-coms" or the shit that passes for them, and you wrote it out fabulously. <BR/>Thank you.Sabertooth Screaming Lemurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18299284382384619823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-7702128811614646052009-03-30T16:41:00.000-07:002009-03-30T16:41:00.000-07:00I actually rented Knocked Up, because I think some...I actually rented <I>Knocked Up</I>, because I think someone somewhere made a convincing argument that it wasn't all that sexist and was sort of interesting for its genre. And I can make allowances for hot women going for dumpy guys sometimes - probably because I've been brainwashed by the culture I live in and the media I'm subjected to to accept that. But then dumpy, inept, one-night-stand guy ends up in the gynecologist's office with her during her pelvic exam! What the fucking fuck! I suppose that's not sexist per se, but it demonstrated clearly how much of a clue Apatow has about women and about the subject matter he was dealing with. Zero! Less than zero.snobographerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11874569135368534339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-85324009861411083012009-03-30T15:58:00.000-07:002009-03-30T15:58:00.000-07:00hence Juno's lovable indie-rock pedophile being (a...<EM>hence Juno's lovable indie-rock pedophile being (a) refused by his teenage lust object and (b) divorced by his adult wife, thank God)</EM><BR/><BR/>Great post! That bit caught my eye, because I didn't notice it during the film, but you're absolutely right. It's one of the few instances of a male predator being rejected rather than sympathized with in a movie.Pizza Diavolahttp://pizzadiavola.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726951603608379154.post-27783937108193959692009-03-30T13:46:00.000-07:002009-03-30T13:46:00.000-07:00Great post, Sady.You know, one of the things that ...Great post, Sady.<BR/><BR/>You know, one of the things that occurs to me reading all this shit knitted together this way is that this is a very obvious Straight White Dood phenomenon, and I will not hold my breath waiting for the rightwing led by Bill Bennett and the culture vultures led by Joe Lieberman and the very Congress itself to engage in serious hand-wringing over the fact that so many Straight White Doods are creating art that is hateful toward women (and gays and the disabled, in many cases, just to start on a long list), even though they have spent a lot of time being concerned about art made by black men, with the marginal ostensible excuse that it is hateful to women and dangerous for children and blah blah blah.<BR/><BR/>On another note, it just so happens I caught a bit of <I>Manhattan</I> this weekend, which looks more and more different the older (and more feminist) I get, and it is, in fact, Meryl Streep's <I>partner</I> (i.e. Allen's ex-wife's girlfriend) who he tried to run over with his car.<BR/><BR/>Which, in some way, is even worse.Melissa McEwanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04784594504716679607noreply@blogger.com